This is how we did Medicare as a totally new system in 1965 before we had computers. I choose to buy a hamburger from McDonalds and I can choose to buy something from a competitor if I choose, or I can choose to buy nothing at all. It isn’t in itself a natural right. this seems like a really slippery issue and an impossible standard. If Abraham Lincoln’s views were “impoverished,” then I am guilty as charged. fly? I’m all for lower taxes etc, but I could not in good conscience think people be refused basic health care because they were poor. I had almost forgotten.”. But the bottom line in this fight is profit for a few, not health for the many, and so it is the public who suffers. Contrast the relationship between the caller and the patient with that of my patient and myself. Sign up for HOPE here. do not endear conservative values to the public.”. I see that you are making stuff up again. Yes they are. Tariffs make countries poorer. The main arguments both in favor of and against slavery were both natural rights arguments for example. This is especially true in advanced societies in which the opportunity cost of basic subsistence is fairly low, and killing someone else for their dinner may cost far more than it’s worth. Did your comment address choice? I can find lawyer in india. If it is good for cars, it should be good for any desk job too. Because medical care is a commodity, and treating it otherwise is foolhardy. “I understand that – always back the horse called “self interest” cause you know it’ll try the hardest.”. Many other species appear to defend their own individual sense of self determination just as humans do, but I doubt they think of that as having natural rights. Aristotle was wrong but he was not “disingenuous.” As for trying to justify American slavery, some sincerely believed the argument and some didn’t. This works for every example I know of, but I can’t prove it, and I can’t prove gravity exists except by observing it’s predictable effect on objects I can observe. Firms are always hiring younger, better educated people. Unfortunately, I probably won’t get to it until the summer, “If people wanted those things for which taxes are collected, they would pay for them voluntarily, and they wouldn’t be called taxes, and there would be no need for threats.”. “They were actually keenly aware of how controversial these claims were. Social interactions between two or more people may or may not include recognition of, and respect for these natiral instincts of the other party or parties, but I think that for the most part, people tend to seek agreement on mutually beneficial codes of conduct that provide the most benefits to themselves at the least cost, including voluntary trade, specialization, division of labor, and mutual defense. “Voluntary” and “Choice”. Duh. Which means that you and others of us who have similar compassion for the poor, including medical providers, would see that those who needed it, but couldn’t afford medical care, would get it, right. Doctors are turning their practices over to large institutions, “going corporate,” in order to have the negotiating power to simply exist in this environment. societies that allow slavery flourish far less than those that do not. doesn’t include being forced to pay for others. Since society doesn’t require us to be sedentary, eat unhealthfully or indulge in other behaviors hazardous to our health, I wouldn’t expect society to compel others to pay or provide medical services for us. Here is Abraham Lincoln on the issue of slavery: “That is the real issue. I can recall one instance when I had trouble finding a spot to pull off the road to change a flat tire without running over several corpses. Angell … But, government is not entitled to charge me for more than the amounts necessary to perform those legitimate functions. Did any famous economists at GMU recommend it to you? Period. Healthcare is a commodity—and a finite one at that. Even Breitbart kicked him out. Not as long as the people trading think its fair. My point is that, when people invoke natural rights they are stating their assumptions and values, not proving their conclusions. they also get it wrong. Smith breaks up the past one hundred years into five phases and argues that in each phase, compromises were made that failed because they did not meet the fundamental criteria of covering everyone and achieving effective governmental oversight. As it turns out, a person may ignore a jury summons with little fear of consequences. The Trump Train becoming less exciting as the days go by? “In addition I am forced to pay for services for others who can’t afford to pay for them – whether or not those people even want the service they can’t afford.”, “If you get the benefit of what you are being taxed for, it’s okay.”. It is intended to protect people accused of crimes against the state from state tyranny by interposing other ordinary people between the state and the accused. Or reduce taxes. I don’t want to have balanced trade with my grocer. He earns $30 million a year (or ~$857,000 per game). If you’re concerned with the expense, it makes sense to NOT treat chronic conditions until a patient is near death, and will then cost the least to treat. Interesting argument. you will not be arrested, have your assets taken, or anything else. Overall, it is a time to be optimistic. Ram, not really. What, do you think you’re being compassionate and caring by robbing some people you don’t even know to pay for medical care for other people you don’t even know? All “tax” means is a financial charge levied by a state for public services (in this case, a road). BTW we didn’t mean prepackaged pizzas bought at the local store. : I = Independence – we must be independent of political parties and willing to pressure all members of Congress, the White House and federal institutions to achieve the health care system we need. The number of people employed in manufacturing is going down because of automation. Now, instead of reform heading in the direction of public health, we are seeing the commoditization of health care. People across the country are organizing teach-ins and movie nights, doing outreach in their communities, attending town halls and meeting with their members of Congress. You probably didn’t ask to be prosecuted. Even if they don’t levy tariffs against us, you still see fewer exports. Imports and exports are good for an economy. This is foolhardy, both morally and practically. “Just let your company know what you are doing.”, “We can find a company in Phillipines or India who can do your work.”. So they use their preemptory challenges on to get them off. I point out how heavily you rely on the same few insults like “disingenuous” and, right on cue, you use the word five times in your next three comments. Many of them reveal great economic ignorance. I had almost forgotten. The Sox could fire him and hire me at League minimum ($400,000 a year, or about $11,000 per game) for the same job,saving them $846,000 per game. Health historian, David Barton Smith, writes (in a draft chapter) that the fundamental struggle in the US has been over the question of whether health care is a commodity … It will add to the economy. Why would that be any different than having to pay for the hamburger you get at McDonalds?”. Let’s start immediately with the USPS monopoly on 1st class delivery. they were not “made up” so much as “discovered” in the same way that the arch was and they are not arbitrary nor flexible if you want to build a durable structure. You’re welcome. the fact that people made an argument for slavery and called it natural rights does not make that claim true. I do not have a taxpayer subsidized job. In any case that pronouncement made very little difference in the lives of people living at that time, except as a basis for the eviction notice presented to King Georgie that followed it. defining what “a person” means does not really affect the rights structure that works. I see that it took morganovich exactly one conversation to size him up correctly. He’s put himself in a unique position to make change. He refers to these compromises as “more palatable approaches” that were considered to be politically feasible, but each “self-destructed.”, These failures, including the most recent ACA, have driven health care deeper into the pockets of private industry from the provision of medical services to the production and distribution of pharmaceuticals and medical devices. Health care's new maverickBy Geoff ColvinFortune, August 13, 2012What's the future of American health care?Massachusetts has been leading the way in health care reform, even if in the wrong direction. (I’m not being sarcastic. Of course you DID use the word “unlawful”. Ok then. Also, take health spending as an investment. They associate public care with inferior service. Ultimately, the goal of every public health logistics system is to help ensure that every customer has commodity security. Unfortunately, based on first impressions, it seems to be similarly ineffective on the “Make America Great Again” folks. If Senators vote before the September 30 deadline, they only need 50 votes instead of the filibuster-proof 60 votes to pass amendments. We call the ‘public option’ a “Profiteer’s Option” because it will serve as a relief valve for private insurers to jettison people who need care. Open the monopoly provision of government services to competition and watch the market work its magic as it does for all other goods and services. The Second Best Social provision of care or insurance. Yes, they keep talking about how import is great. no court action. And, children cheer on emotional nonsense because they are economically ignorant. “Consider what would happen if you were in an accident, unconscious, and didn’t have your insurance information in your pocket.”. Jury nullification would seem to be one more barrier between the accused and an unjust law, or against unwarranted prosecution where conviction would result in injustice. “In which case, you stop mentioning it after the election and hope people forget.”. Yep. And, as any good trial lawyer will tell you, you do not want jurors who feel coerced or really just don’t want to be there. . So a “criminal act” is whatever you and your gang say it is. “ I’m all for lower taxes etc, but I could not in good conscience think people be refused basic health care because they were poor.”. but I could not in good conscience think people be refused basic health care because they were poor. We are often told that politics involves compromise, but some compromises undermine our goal. ” I assure you, it is a lot easier to get out of jury duty than you seem to think.”. Things always change. Of course you are correct that any socially constructed right must be reasonably compatible with human nature in order to be meaningful. The answer: There can’t be. So, what’s the solution for poor people? , ‘Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said that she would model new constitutions on the South African constitution, which guarantees that “everyone has the right to have access to health care services, including reproductive health care. I get calls regularly from clients who start the conversation with “you know that thing you told me not to do, well I did it, and now I am in trouble. This will require changing medical education and medical practice.”. And Jury nullification can work against the rights of the accused even more easily than it can work in their favor. The first is the normative judgement that the individual's Now, please explain why all your rights are granted by government. Of course people DO die when they rely on government provided and rationed healthcare. are commonly cited examples of such positive rights, and would require the state to compel someone else to provide them for us, and therefore can’t exist. Perhaps one of the greatest concerns about S 1804 is the long transition period. But this concept of a fair trial is a social construct that exists only because the state exists, and in cases of a jury trial, may require that someone be placed in the service of the defendent against their will. but the basic rights are all the same. “Assembled by hand” is as close as one can get without stretching the truth, and even that may soon be a thing of the past. If you get the benefit of what you are being taxed for, it’s okay. Healthcare is not a commodity but a public good, and we want to see a strong commitment of government and IFIs alike to the implementation of the SDGs instead of pushing policies that deepen inequality and inequity. It doesn’t happen. What part of “self evident” do you not understand? For example, let’s assume for the moment the government has a legitimate role in building roads. It sucked, but it’s not the company’s obligation to provide me with a job. Markets represent voluntary associations involving mutually beneficially exchanges of value. That is why Franklin changed Jefferson’s original words from referencing God, for he know people regularly deny God, to self evident because he knew that no one but the disingenuous could deny rights that they would fight for if you tried to take them away from them. Until we in the United States decide to de-commodify our health care and health by implementing a universal, single, publicly financed, national health program such as Medicare for All, we will remain in our current state of ethical underdevelopment. yet we have had religious wars for millennia. Do you know what the argument for trade is? The government (we the people) prosecute and a jury of your peers (we the people) decide. Health care as an economic commodity. “… why don’t the Red Sox fire David Price and outsource his pitching functions for me for 1/100th the cost?”. It is always the case that we are each better off when we pay as low a price as possible for the things we want and need. You can get legal forms from the internet. Jon, taxation is not theft when it is for legitimate government functions. Write CSS OR LESS and hit save. Health Over Profit for Everyone (HOPE), a campaign of Popular Resistance, sent a letter to Sanders before he introduced his bill urging him not to compromise from the start. There is nothing “magical” about this. Healthcare spending is no more an “investment” than is spending to maintain and repair your car or your washing machine. Your comment deserves more than a superficial response, and I have no time right now. The weaknesses of S 1804 prevent it from fully transforming our health care system to a public service. Now, if we can get the US government out of the bailout business, then we will probably end up with smaller competitors taking over the bloated bureaucracies at GM, firing a bunch of “managers,” and actually begin making great American cars again. Most universal systems are started at once – on a certain date, everyone is in the system. the way we do such a thing is to take the compulsion out. Study it. i don’t thing that is “elastic” in the sense you are using it. it’s simply not something that has any enforcement. Such arrogance! A victory this year is that there are bills in the House and Senate that outline a National Improved Medicare for All health care system, and they have record numbers of co-sponsors. Learning could be almost as cheap and easy as buying, renting, or streaming movies at home, but for government meddling. “The Aristotle’s argument is basically that those who may be enslaved are inferior. “Trump knows this – that’s why I’m such a fan.”. Pro 2 Instituting a right to health care could lower the cost of health care in the United States. Is it a tax, if it pays for services received? I think we agree on that much. My point is every job is outsourceable including the CEO job. but that’s no reason for us to emulate them.”. Most of the folks here are against Trump policy of import tariffs and US manufacturing. Everyone’s job is always in question. people should be allowed to trade with whomever they like without the state getting in the way. Dr. Adam Gaffney traces and explains this trend from the 1940s to the present in “The Neo-liberal Turn in American Health Care.”, Make no mistake, currently, in the United States, health care is a commodity, and the profiteers are going wild. If not, why do you believe anyone else would? We should worry about both, not just one.”. I do believe that both markets and nation states represent good examples of emergent order. Yes. “Their point was to say that these are our assumptions and values. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. Never mind that many Americans do not believe that public agencies are in fact providing adequate schooling, pollution control, and crime prevention. No one is opposed to US manufacturing. Fine! Investor-owned facilities are permitted to continue to operate within the system and budgetary controls that might restrain them were excluded from the bill. I know you believe that some magical political order emerges from the state, just as order emerges from free markets, but I don’t see it. Because medical care is a commodity, and treating it otherwise is foolhardy. I mean that’s a yep to no slavery. Do we have a choice? $5.00 “Ok then. taxes collected from the unwilling by threat of violence are theft. Yes, I remember those horrible days prior to EMTALA when anyone who failed to carry proof of medical coverage with them at all times, was likely to be left to die, bleeding and unconscious, by the side of the road. Extract from the Civil Society Report "Spotlight on Sustainable Development 2017" -the new global report assesses how privatization and corporate capture have become obstacles to progress under the 2030 Agenda. Deirdre McCloskey has written a lot on that subject. HR 676 would create a publicly-financed not-for-profit health care system. We all know that no two individuals are exactly the same, but we also know that individuals are the same type of thing: human beings. Actually I don’t see a real difference between a gas tax and a toll. So, why don’t they? Beyond that, there will still be a lot to do to make sure everyone has their health care needs met. You are making our point for us, although we meant the cost to consumers of products ‘made by hand”, not just the labor part. Since buying imports is how foreigners get currency to buy or exports, reducing the level of inputs bought reduce the amount of dollars in foreign hands, which necessarily means they can’t buy as many exports. you can try to argue that someone is not human and thus can be treated like a horse or a dog, but that’s not really the same thing. Like when he told you he the had to get off of Facebook because other people were too argumentative. “, but I’ll take the 75% on offer and the steal the rest later !”. Markets are the solution in medical care, just as they are in virtually every other area. We can’t be fooled by progressive veneers. Health care as an economic commodity. You have already paid for the roads with your income, property, and sales taxes. According to these experts, it’s good to import some things, be it goods or services, so long as it’s comparatively advantageous to do so. “I do believe that both markets and nation states represent good examples of emergent order.”. For example if a person is caught and tried for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving children, justice might not be served by the imposition of a mandatory 6 month sentence in county lockup. Those and millions of other products that are “made by hand” haven’t increased in price in any measure of individual income including number of hours worked at average or median wage/hr. If you restrict demand based on race, then home prices fall. It is a strong and growing sector. y point is every job is outsourceable including the CEO job. The laws of supply and demand are not mutable. But then, he wasn’t and neither am I. Commodity security exists when every person is able to obtain and use quality essential health supplies whenever he or she needs them. There is nothing in our nature or God given, if you prefer, about a trial by a jury of our peers. “Rather, they understand the necessity of taxes, but want a say in how those taxes are raised and spent. I think the analogy would have to be, society is forcing some health norms on you so you would expect the health care required to meet those norms to be provided. that seems like the pivotal distinction to me. They might change in future. Taking money from people under threat of force is always called theft. “Like when he told you he the had to get off of Facebook because other people were too argumentative,”. According to these “experts”, isn’t it good to import everything be it goods or services. In fact, I don’t think that merely arguing for things is what makes them true and I sure didn’t say that. That’s what we learn from Ben Shapiro writing in National Review: The idea seems to be that unless you declare medical care a right rather than a commodity, you are soulless. A broad rational national health care insurance policy for the United States, providing for universal financial access to health care for all citizens, has both "meaning" and "validity" in that it would address actual socioeconomic concerns and could be implemented. You would do much better if you used logic and objective and verifiable facts. Kevin Zeese is an American political activist who has been a leader in the drug policy reform and peace movements and in efforts to ensure a voter verified paper audit trail. And I believe you would see a lot fewer fair trials under an-cap because there would be fewer sanctions against impulsive vigilante revenge and more cases where one side was paying those conducting the purportedly “fair” trial. At a recent forum in Brewster, several highly qualified people discussed the future of health care in the United States, specifically the idea of a single-payer system. If you get the benefit of what you are being taxed for, it’s okay. Asymmetric information. He did not imply that it was a natural right. It also protects against rights violations by individuals seeking vigilante justice.”. ”. Yeah, I wasn’t endorsing all Bentham’s ideas, just trying to avoid plagiarism in using a quote I wish I had been the original author of. The question is: Who here is opposed to US manufacturing? If you meant the latter, of course, “unlawful” can mean whatever you want it to mean. Good thing for you that they do, otherwise you’d be scratching in the dirt trying to grow enough food to feed your family (and not much else). It was just your typical name calling and disparaging statements that you do when you know you are wrong. Efforts to introduce universal health coverage in all countries will move healthcare closer towards being a public It’s a good thing when assumptions are clear and openly stated. Society prosecutes criminals, if society chooses to prosecute, it guarantees a right to defend yourself, including a trial by jury. Sometimes taxes are a necessary part of civilisation. Markets, e ciency, and health care. To argue otherwise is simply a disingenuous argument using natural rights language incorrectly. What nonsense. Healthcare is a right, not a commodity. It also doesn’t address the monopoly issue of the provision of such services. Perhaps you would prefer to call them natural instincts. Let’s have a bit a conversation about this. I don’t say that to trivialize them. The Aristotle’s argument is basically that those who may be enslaved are inferior and not fully human. Let me guess- people who draw the line at a point you don’t approve of are nasty. 1789 Massachusetts Avenue, NW Let me rephrase my question to be clearer: ram doesn’t know, but he’s sure Trump is going to help him. "When I hear, healthcare is a right, what I hear is, 'healthcare will no longer have choices, we will provide it as a government commodity and you can wait in line.'" Mostly they are cheaper. , It is. American Enterprise Institute you’re on your own. It is neither related to, nor an extension of, a natural right. My point is that the notion of natural rights is so elastic as to be virtually meaningless in political debate. Did you really think that I was saying that the mere fact that people made the argument made it true? Like Obama promising to shut Gitmo “on day 1.” Or end our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. They knew that those who said “you work and I will eat” would object to other people’s involuntary servitude. Morally, you have no right to demand medical care of me. A properly functioning supply chain is a critical part of ensuring commodity security— Nope. They were big on the “No taxation without representation” rallying cry.”. Winning the fight for a National Improved Medicare for All health care system is possible. “But yes, the hypocrisy can be a little stomach churning.”. Same with everything, shift Hollywood out, shift all damn service industries. It didn’t with the “Hope and Change” crowd. Jury duty is compulsory according to legislation. Trump knows this – that’s why I’m such a fan. In addition we see many species acting cooperatively as a group to mutual advantage in hunting and in mutual defense. The opposite of a public good is a private good, which is both excludable and rivalrous.These goods can only be used by one person at a time–for example, a wedding ring. All that foreign competition forces US manufacturers keep prices down and quality up. There was no more a monolithic voice at that time than there is now. It would truly treat health care as a public necessity and not a commodity. We can eliminate all Professors and replace them online with professors from india/Phillipines/China etc. Part of the higher cost of medical care these days is the vastly improved state of technology that allows diagnosis and treatment of previously untreatable conditions. They were actually keenly aware of how controversial these claims were. As a result health care—and health—remain a commodity for sale. Governments pretends to grant us various “rights”, which aren’t really rights at all, but merely promises by the state that it won’t interfere with our right to self ownership and self determination in certain areas of our lives. But the left believes that declaring necessities rights somehow overcomes the individual rights of others. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles — right and wrong — throughout the world. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/04/ig-report-300000-veterans-died-while-waiting-health-care-va.html, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-195277/NHS-death-rates-times-higher-US.html, “They also suggest that long waiting lists mean diseases are more advanced before they are treated.”, “Also, take health spending as an investment.”. Sure. They problem is that government exceeds its constitutional limits and then uses force to charge me way more for things that no one agreed to nor benefitted from. “My point is that, when people invoke natural rights they are stating their assumptions and values, not proving their conclusions.”. It will take preparation and hard work. use a road or a bridge, pay a fee. Jim Kavanaugh of The Polemicist argues that S 1804 may actually be a “Trojan Horse” for the Democrat’s favored proposal, a public insurance they refer to as a ‘public option’ being added to the current mix. That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. Just let your company know what you are doing. Livestreaming a video of an arrest where a police officer's use of force leads to his arrest. Your careless use of the word “investment”- a frequent habit of another person named Barry – has drained almost all meaning from the word. I believe human beings have certain inherent characteristics that are observable, and predictable, and that will be displayed by each individual person as they interact with the world around them. It isn’t in itself a natural right. Do you make your own soap? “it should be good for any desk job too.”, “Let us see how many of these free traders would take up my suggestion.”. But the cost of treating a child for a sore throat – your example – now costs a great deal more in relative terms than the price of a couple of chickens. Do not try to have them enacted into law.” And then we explain why he should not do so. Because medical care is a commodity, and treating it otherwise is foolhardy. Of course most human “representative governments” lack the consent of the governed, and therefore have no legitimate authority over non-members. We have a “right” to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects from unreasonable searches and seizures – by *government*. People make things up. The field of medicine must be taking giant strides backward. And, everyone is willing to fight for them. “A fair trial doesn’t just protect against rights violations by the state. The reality is that most of these guys here spout their hard line ideological positions to the nth degree knowing full well in the comfort of their tax-payer subsidised tenured academic positions that they are sheltered from the negative effects of trade. Government loves user fees because that means more tax money to spend. BTW raising your own chickens is an incredibly costly way to get them – whether to eat or to use as money. I could also say something like this: “We hold this truth to be self evident: that gravity exists as a natural force in the known universe, and that it operates such that every object with the property of mass in the universe attracts every other object with mass as follows:”. Because you don’t get elected if you don’t promise them? Health historian, David Barton Smith, writes (in a draft chapter) that the fundamental struggle in the U.S. has been over the question of whether health care is a commodity that belongs in a market or whether it is a basic necessity that requires the protection of government so that it is universal. Join Health Over Profit for Everyone (HOPE), a campaign for National Improved Medicare for All. BTW, I will keep pointing our your hilarious mistakes. For many people duty was the preeminent value.”. when you build an arch, it must be built just so, or it will fall down. The problem is you both have a far too simplistic theory of trade. It’s time for a real health care revolution of, by and for the people! “It’s not the same service. We decide we want something (a right to trial by jury) and then decide how to provide it (compulsory jury duty). Heh you’re the fourth person to recommend that to me. . Would YOU allow someone to die in the street for lack of money to pay for care? One speaker, Dr. Alan Meyers of Boston University, got to the heart of the matter by asking this question: Is healthcare a basic human right, or a commodity to be traded on the open market? base a society on them and it will either stay up or fall down. Mergers by health insurers, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies have been acts of desperation, as each sector fights for control. Personally, I think you guys are the lunatics. Tito is a world-renown cancer researcher and gifted public speaker. it rises to the definition extremely clearly. “ The main arguments both in favor of and against slavery were both natural rights arguments for example.”. But, we can all look at both a negro and a pig and tell that they are not the same type of thing. The idea that if I buy something from you, you must buy something from me is just silly. so how are we to resolve this inevitable divergence where that which one perceives as a benefit, another sees as an injury? It has been introduced every session since 2003 and it has broad support from the single-payer health care movement. perhaps we might have to pay them something that looks like an actual wage, but that could be done especially if we made the court system self funding through the civil arm. Washington, DC 20036, Main telephone: 202.862.5800 Yeah, I’ve noticed. does it have rights? Because of the basic economic concept called “comparative advantage”. You are absolutely right MP; but, when you live in a wealthy nation, governed by a democratic process, trying telling that to the people and getting elected to office. We will import all services. And, I have lots of competition for my job. of course, this lack of notice shall extend to defending you as well. Thus, it should be abolished regardless of whether some want it and think it provides “benefits.”. Sure they are. If people wanted those things for which taxes are collected, they would pay for them voluntarily, and they wouldn’t be called taxes, and there would be no need for threats. In that case, why do we need to export. Great advances in medical technology account for much of the increases in cost, but has also greatly increased the number of positive outcomes from conditions that previously resulted in certain death. but that’s no reason for us to emulate them. Does this mean a man does not have the right to a trial or a jury? The delayed implementation period over four years is such a complex transition that there are concerns it will proceed poorly and support for a universal health care system will disappear before it is complete. “I believe that health care should be regarded as a public good, not a marketplace commodity. . Health generally is not considered a public good, because non-paying individuals (for health insurance, healthy food, etc.) ”. With just a week left before Congress’ budget reconciliation process ends, the Senate is once again peddling a poorly-thought out plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Thank god for that. The only thing I have to sell him is skilled labor, and I don’t want to work for my grocer. We have a “right” to free speech which only means the government won’t interfere with our freedom to speak. No, I’m not aware of any species besides humans that establish representative governments. Writers who claim to be progressives argued that those who want National Improved Medicare for All are asking for too much, that it is just not politically feasible and that we must compromise. When we win the fight for a universal health care system, it will represent a political sea change in the U.S. that will bring solidarity and empowerment to fight for the many other changes that we require. if you do not pay your tax, nothing happens. “They problem is that government exceeds its constitutional limits and then uses force to charge me way more for things that no one agreed to nor benefitted from.”. No, it did not. C = Clarity – we must educate ourselves and others about basic health policy so that we understand what elements are required for the system to meet our goals and our needs. While I’masking hypothetical questions for the sake of it, is taxation always theft? A trial by jury is a political privilege granted by government. I’m actually in a position that has lots of international competition. They are not open to debate for anyone. I don’t say that to trivialize them. (1) That health care is most efficiently distributed by a free market mechanism; and, (2) That medical services are an ordinary commodity. Democrats and Republicans in Congress are discussing a “bipartisan approach,” as outlined by the Center for American Progress, which is funded by health industry lobbyists, to fix the health care system. Have you seen people glorifying that imports are plus and exports are minus to the economy. I think rights are probably our most important social construction.”. Since passage of the ACA, major health insurance company stock values have quadrupled. This suggests that you have been reading comments by Greg Webb. Of course there is a grey area over where you draw the line over how much services you provide, but as a principle, I think there are some things that community has to wear – and health is one of them. Benthem believed that rights were granted by government, and that individuals had only those rights that other people allowed them. Their point was to say that these are our assumptions and values. In my opinion, no one has a right to something that must be provided by someone else. maybe you get it a little wrong and it’s just wobbly or it will last for a time, then fall. There are law offices who are training people in India for American Jurisprudence. “Of course there is a grey area over where you draw the line …”. if you want that, you gotta pay. 1. That is a Constitutional right that has been long held under English jurisprudence. You’re losing confidence rather quickly. Perhaps, you can get morgdiot to explain why the police should not use no-knock warrants to arrest violent felons again? When the founders said “We hold these truths to be self evident…” they weren’t literally claiming that they were self evident. To elaborate further, on the question of rights, we should consider whether there are any positive rights at all. The assumption we are making with the NHS bill is that healthcare is a commodity to be traded and patients are savvy, sceptical consumers. “Sometimes taxes are a necessary part of civilisation.”. Thankfully Trump is all over this issue. Health Care: Private Good vs. Public Good By SIEGFRIED G. KARSTEN* ABSTRACT. Who wouldn’t? And whereas government-sponsored medical care requires a top-down approach that violates individual liberties, generates overdemand, and quashes supply, markets prize individual liberties, reduce demand (you generally demand less of what you must pay for), and heighten supply through profit incentive. It is unfair for people like you to limit my trades because you don’t like how I peacefully spend my own money. Put Huemer on the top of your “read next” pile. The founders were saying that the rights to life, liberty, and property were self evident to all. Diagnosing a sore throat requires more training than it did when the service was paid for in chickens? “As hospitals are required to treat patients until they are stable, you now have a situation where it makes sense to provide basic medical care to treat chronic conditions that often lead to very expensive hospitalization”. so courts can generate income and use it to attract and pay jurors. In practice, no attorney wants someone on the jury who really does not want to be there. it just included or excludes from it. Sure, but isn’t that jury a result of your right requiring some kind of action by other people (in this case, sitting on a jury)? Nothing here. 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You are better than your friend, Greg Gossip who believes that government grants your rights, but not much. Let me know when you come up with a valid argument against natural rights. We have a right to seek those things, but no one obligated to provide them to us. Nation states represent the “emergence” of the dominance of one group of people over another, generally larger group. It decides medical reimbursement rates for millions of Americans, particularly poor Americans; this, in turn, creates an incentive for doctors not to take government-sponsored health insurance. Most animals will act to protect their own lives, liberty, and property. Yep. They are “progressive” values. Learn it. I suppose that’s another possible explanation. Or does it depend on the situation? We can find a company in Phillipines or India who can do your work. but it still bears as a natural law. I’ve asked you this three times now, but I’ve not gotten an answer (I’ve asked other Trump supporters, and I’ve not gotten an answer from them either): Why do tariffs need to be on the table at all? Will the United States finally join the long list of countries that provide health care to everyone? . How absurd. They are against any tariffs. Shapiro is a lawyer too so you know he is a good guy. “We are willing to fight for them and they are not really open for debate.”. You are the one who is quite predictable. “In the olden days … sick daughter … doctor … chickens. It has strong language protecting women’s reproductive rights and it removes most co-pays and deductibles. if you have not paid the tax, the police will not protect you. Efforts to create a national health insurance have existed in the United States for the past 100 years. According to these “experts”, isn’t it good to import everything be it goods or services. Oh yes and , I do, but most rights violations by individuals are pretty straight forward, while many rights violations by the state are considered legitimate. Oh, I know. You probably exchange (export) your labor for the things you want instead, like food, clothing shelter, etc. The Canadian ”œsingle-payer” system eliminates these inefficiencies in one fell swoop, by creating a single manda- tory universal plan. not only do i not see the drug war as a benefit, i see it as a towering and needless harm. Perhaps you wish to reconsider that argument. Aristotle made the natural rights argument for slavery. I suspect many people share that view. It is. He tends to write that and other meaningless drivel when he has no actual argument. our current tax system is theft. I look forward to your next disingenuous attempt to disparage natural rights because it thwarts your failed ideology that you disingenuously call “progressivism.”. 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